Και κατι ακομα, η συγκριση Paul-Westbrook αλλα και των αλλων pgs να γινει με κριτηριο την μεχρι τωρα καριερα των παικτων;

Λίγο off-topic αλλά η σκέψη του Κέφαρου είναι σωστή και σημαντική και θα συζητηθεί πολύ.Θεωρώ κι εγώ ότι έχει φτάσει η ώρα στην OKC να πάρουν σοβαρές αποφάσεις για το μέλλον τους, το μέλλον με τον MVP ως μόνο σίγουρα δεμένο ασφαλώς. Προσωπικά θα μου άρεσε να δω να υπάρχει ένα πιο νορμάλ σχήμα με ένα PG τύπου Rondo. Αλλά είναι η αξία του Russ τέτοια που θα πρέπει να έρθει top-5 PG πίσω, δηλαδή ένας εκ των Paul (απίθανο), Curry (απίθανο), Parker (απίθανο), Wall (ανοιχτό) και Rondo (ανοιχτό και παιχνιδιάρικο).

Από τη μία σκέφτεσαι ότι τρεις συνεχόμενες χρονιές χωρίς τίτλο είναι πολλές για αυτό το ταλέντο, αλλά:
- Υπήρχαν σοβαροί τραυματισμοί πέρυσι και φέτος
- Οι Spurs μας τελειώνουν σε 2 χρόνια max
- Υπάρχουν πολλά περιθώρια για βελτίωση του roster των Thunder (ειλικρινά δεν καταλαβαίνω γιατί υπάρχουν μερικοί παίκτες και δεν αποκτούνται ρολίστες βετεράνοι που μπορούν να συνεισφέρουν περισσότερα)
- O Durant δεν ξέρω αν μπορεί να αντέξει μόνος τους μια postseason, χωρίς έναν πόλο σκοραρίσματος και απειλής του διαμετρήματος του Russ.

Ωστόσο θα άξιζε να μπει στην κουβέντα ο προβληματισμός για την ύπαρξη ενός σχήματος με περισσότερες επιλογές.

Πλάνο υπάρχει από Presti και σια?

Ως PG, ο Πολ είναι ο καλύτερος της λίγκας.

Furthermore όμως, αν ο κάποιος εκεί στην Οκλαχόμα συνειδητοποιήσει τι μαγικό τρέιντ μπορεί να κάνει και να δώσει τον Ράσελ τον Ουέστμπρουκ σε κατάλληλη ομάδα, θα ευνοηθούν και οι OKC, και η άλλη ομάδα αλλά και ο Ράσελ που πιστεύω ότι θα χτυπάει MVP.

Από τους δύο σίγουρα προτιμώ τον Paul. Κι εγώ τον θεωρώ τον καλύτερο της λίγκας. Τώρα, όσον αφορά την ανταλλαγή που λες, μου έχει περάσει πολλές φορές από το μυαλό μια ενδεχόμενη μετακίνηση στη Βοστώνη αντί του Ρόντο. Η Οκλαχόμα παίρνει έναν οργανωτή που θα βοηθήσει ακόμη περισσότερο τον Ντουράντ και από την άλλη ο Ράσελ γίνεται το νούμερο ένα σε μια ομάδα. Τι πιστεύεις γι' αυτό; Θα ήταν καλή περίπτωση και για τους δύο;

Ειδικά η κίνηση που έχουν και που του επιτρέπει να πηγαίνει συνεχώς μέσα στη ρακέτα

πώς θα σας φαινόταν ένα trade russell westbrook - Stephen curry.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/player...#shooting::none

Είναι υπερβολικά εύκολο για bold prediction να πω πως απ' τους 3 ψιλονεκρούς της λίστας του yorgos, οι 2 δεν θα είναι φέτος top10-pg στη λίγκα, γενικά ή/και φανταζιακά, όπως θέλετε πάρτε το.

Η δικιά μου λίστα δεν υφίσταται χωρίς Τοιχόγιαννο. Αν αναρωτιέστε, ναι ακόμα πιστεύω το Jrue.
Ο λιγότερο διαφημισμένος PG της λίγκας που αξίζει της προσοχής όλων είναι ο Conley, ο πιο διαφημισμένος PG της λίγκας που θέλω να απλώσει περισσότερο το παιχνίδι του και τότε θα είναι top, είναι ο -υπέροχος- Damian Lillard.

Aν ήμουν ο Paul θα έψαχνα πόρτα να φύγω. Αν ήμουν ο Westbrook -και είχα μυαλό- θα έκλεινα τις πόρτες να μη φύγει ο Durant.

The 6’2″-and-Under Champions Club

Life should be grand for Chris Paul. He delivered 22.5 points, 12 assists, and 2.5 steals per game while shooting 51% FG, 75% FT, and 45.5% 3PT in the Western Conference Semi-Finals against the Oklahoma City Thunder. His regular season saw some injury woes but he’s still likely to make another All-NBA 1st Team, which would be the 4th such selection of his career. Of course the Clippers losing their series against Oklahoma City is dispiriting, but basketball fans can bask in Paul’s great efforts.

Well, some can. Not all.

Roll that beautiful Chris Paul critique footage!

The criticism will start anew after the Clippers playmaker delivered more heartache during his team’s season-ending 104-98 loss to Oklahoma City in Game 6 of the Western Conference semifinals Thursday night at Staples Center.

Paul finished with 25 points and 11 assists but will be recalled mostly for the offensive foul with 3 minutes 35 seconds left that probably sealed the Clippers’ fate.

Paul was dejected after the loss and his continued failure to reach the Conference Finals, let alone the NBA Finals:

“It’s not just to get out of the second round. It’s to win a championship. I don’t know anybody in our league that plays for the Western Conference finals. That’s not enough.”

Well, given the circumstances of the NBA, having a 6’0″ tall player as your leading man rarely means winning a championship. Extending the height to 6’2″, only five NBA franchises have garnered a title with a player that tall reasonably, not unequivocally, considered their best player.

The Rochester Royals 1950-51

The first franchise was the Rochester Royals back in the 1950-51 season. Their best player was Bob Davies, a 6’1″ guard/forward who was one of the first players in the major pro leagues to dribble behind his back. The Royals, however, were a well-balanced machine with Bob Wanzer and especially Arnie Risen contesting best player honors. Indeed during the postseason, the 31-year old Davies had a miserable time averaging 16 points, 5.5 rebounds and 3 assists on 34% shooting over 14 games. However, Risen and Wanzer rose to the ocassion. Wanzer notched 12.5 PPG, 5 RPG, and 4 APG while shooting 47% FG and 91% FT. Risen was a beast in the post with 19.5 PPG and 14 RPG including a dominating NBA Finals against the Knicks which would have secured a Finals MVP for Risen had it existed then. There was also defensive ace Jack Coleman who threw in 10 points, 13 rebounds, and 5 assists per game in the postseason.

Davies may have been the best player, but it was truly a full team effort.

The Boston Celtics 1956-57

The Celtics were the next NBA champ to exhibit a wondrous 6’1″ dribbler as their best player. Bob Cousy was the regular season MVP for the NBA and had appeared in the All-Star Game all seven seasons of his pro career. The Celtics had also made the postseason every year of his career, but had never made the Finals. Finally, in 1957 Boston won the Finals as Cousy averaged 20 points, 9 assists and 6 rebounds in the playoffs.

Don’t be too quick to give Cooz all the credit, though. His longtime running mate Bill Sharman averaged 21 PPG. Rookie forward Tommy Heinsohn dropped 23 PPG and 12 RPG. Oh yeah, another rookie – Bill Russell – contributed 14 points and 24 rebounds nightly. Russell would wind up winning MVP the very next season in 1958 quickly supplanting Cousy as the Celtics’ best player.

But in 1957 was Cousy or Russell the better Celtic? It’s debatable. Nonetheless, the point is still standing: a short star needs a some equitable talent.

The Los Angeles Lakers 1971-72

No one can still figure out who was better for the Lakers in 1972: Wilt Chamberlain or Jerry West. The team won 33 straight games on their way to 69 wins in the regular season. They trounced opponents in the playoffs breezing to the title with 12 wins and 3 losses. West and Wilt played vastly different but complementary roles. Wilt cleaned the glass, defended the paint like crazy, and produced highlight dunks here and there. West pestered the perimeter, ran the offense as the point guard, and drained long-range bombs.

Their regular season stats reveal their productive schism.
Wilt – 15 PPG, 19 RPG, 4 APG
West – 26 PPG, 4 RPG, 10 APG

Jerry West, however, played the worst postseason of his career that year. Prior to 1972, he had averaged 31 PPG, 6 APG, and 6 RPG on 48% FG and 81% FT shooting. In 1972 he bottomed out at 23/9/5 – still great for a 33-year old guard – but shot a miserable 37.5% from the field. It was even worse in the Finals where Mr. Clutch put up 20/9/4 on 32.5% shooting. The Big Dipper meanwhile feasted on the Knicks to the tune of 19.5 points and 23 rebounds a game on 60% shooting.

In the end, it’s likely a wash as to who was more instrumental for those Lakers.

The Seattle SuperSonics 1978-79

The champion oft-forgot, the 1979 Sonics were one of the most egalitarian teams to take the title. The youthful trio of Jack Sikma (23 years old), Dennis Johnson (24) and Gus Williams (25) did the heaviest lifting while veterans like Paul Silas, Freddie Brown, and John Johnson capably helped out the young bucks.

The splits of three contenders for Sonics’ best player don’t concretely solve the question, but it gives a tentative answer…

Regular Season

PPG RPG APG BPG SPG FG% FT%
Gus Williams 19.2 3.2 4.0 0.4 2.0 49.5% 77.5%
Jack Sikma 15.6 12.4 3.2 0.8 1.0 46.0% 81.4%
Dennis Johnson 15.9 4.7 3.5 1.2 1.3 43.4% 76.0%

Playoffs

PPG RPG APG BPG SPG FG% FT%
Gus Williams 26.7 4.1 3.7 0.6 2.0 47.6% 70.9%
Jack Sikma 14.8 11.7 2.5 1.4 0.9 45.5% 78.7%
Dennis Johnson 20.9 6.1 4.1 1.5 1.6 45.0% 77.1%
On balance, Gus Williams emerges as the premier, but not definitive, candidate for best player on the 1979 Sonics. The 6’2″ guard would lose out on Finals MVP to the 6’4″ Dennis Johnson. Guess that didn’t help settle matters.

The Detroit Pistons 1988-89 and 1989-90

The only time a multiple championship teams were led by a diminutive player. Still in his prime, but maybe a hair past his peak, Isiah Thomas was the linchpin of the Bad Boys Pistons. If ever a team won a title based on gang tactics, it was these Pistons squads. Bill Laimbeer, James Edwards, Dennis Rodman, and John Salley delivered body blows to frustrate opponents. But the real threat to Thomas’s claim to best player on these teams came from his young, stoic backcourt mate: Joe Dumars.

Dumars proved so valuable he snared the 1989 Finals MVP in a sweep over the LA Lakers. Put winning Finals MVP doesn’t automatically catapult you to best player on the team. When it’s all said and done, Isiah was the orchestrator of the Pistons’s assault even if the disparity between himself and his teammates wasn’t the chasm we like to imagine exists between a team’s best player and the secondary pieces.

So what does any of this mean for Chris Paul? Or for any future pipsqueak star?

It means that they can be the best player on a team that wins an NBA title, but the team has to be extremely well-balanced. And even if that short star plays the role of best player, it’ll be hard for contemporaries and future generations to easily discern that.

Who is the best point guard in the NBA?
1. Chris Paul, L.A. Clippers -- 71.4%
2. Russell Westbrook, Oklahoma City -- 10.7%
3. Tony Parker, San Antonio -- 7.1%
Also receiving votes: Stephen Curry, Golden State; Damian Lillard, Portland; Derrick Rose, Chicago
Last year: Chris Paul -- 70.0%

Which player is the best leader?
1. Tim Duncan, San Antonio -- 35.7%
2. Chris Paul, L.A. Clippers -- 28.6%
3. LeBron James, Cleveland -- 14.3%
4. Kevin Garnett, Brooklyn -- 10.7%
Also receiving votes: Stephen Curry, Golden State; Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City; Steve Nash, L.A. Lakers
Last year: Tim Duncan -- 30.0%